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<blockquote data-quote="arkwright" data-source="post: 8428389" data-attributes="member: 6925177"><p>-Arcaneshield</p><p>Zeitvice does focus on what I consider to be the flaws and holes of the AP, so it can come across as pretty cutting and condemning. My introduction still stands, however- I think this is the greatest AP ever written. I just think it still embodies the core flaws of AP design, such as having multiple authors.</p><p></p><p>The section on Thursty may come across as a little more scathing than I intended. While I do think 'creepy' is justified, given how the Player's Guide describes Elfaivaran society immediately fighting wars over chattel-women, I do tend to think of Thursty as a loveable rascal who occasionly does his thinking with his other head.</p><p></p><p>If killing Srasama who represents femininity wiped out all women, why would killing the Clergy god of war not wipe out all soldiers and more besides? Or, if killing the god of war would wipe out martial desire, why would killing Srasama not wipe out all feminine instincts, resulting in a nation of tomboy women? Leaving aside the additional backlash of the ritual that for some reason turned the Clergy hierarchy into tieflings and de-magicked Danor.</p><p></p><p>I do appreciate that the Great Malice is basically an apocalyptic event for Elfaivaran society. Social, political and economic structures break. However, I think it takes more <em>time</em> and justification before society degrades to the point of fighting wars over women. Especially if you don't want to suggest that 'ordinary' people promptly began scooping up women as soon as their chances of having a child plummetted. As Lylandra says, would the reverse happen if many men died?</p><p></p><p>The Akela Sathi absolutely came about as a desperate attempt to fix the gender balance. My quibble is that I don't think the system properly reflects a matriarchal society. It veers away from 'akela women are noble lionesses who pick and choose their mates' and closer to 'akela women are sheep given to the wolves as a sop to their hunger.'</p><p></p><p>Book 8 states that Iomar the smith had the captives 'smuggled into Sentosa by malicious fey.' I should clarify that while I think it's possible he has the <em>tacit</em> approval of Athrylla Valanar, there is no way he has full approval. Even if the Elfaivarans are cool with the torture, they might object from a security perspective.</p><p></p><p>-Lylandra</p><p>I very much appreciate that time spent developing character and backstory is not time wasted. I suppose Book 8 leaves a sour taste in my throat because it ends with the party suffering the random bad luck of being time-skipped into the Dreaming. And then Act 3 fails to pay off Kasvarina's strong character arc by giving her a greatly diminished role.</p><p></p><p>Elfaivar is a little personal to me because I also made the same mistake. In my first draft of the expanded Elfaivaran history for the sequel setting book, I went along with 'and then all the women died so the remaining men fought like starving wolves over the survivors.' A friend helped steer me in the right direction, and I am very proud of the work I did fleshing out a society where matriarchs and femininity are powerful, and define power in that society.</p><p></p><p>Lylandra, I absolutely agree that ZG shows the power of many <em>individual</em> Eladrin women- often to the point of farce, with the sheer number of powerful female eladrin running around and the tiny number of male eladrin characters. My quibble is that Book 8 fails to show the power of Eladrin women as a <em>whole-</em> and not physical power, but social and cultural power.</p><p></p><p>'Could benefit from a good polish' is how I feel about many problems I have highlighted, yes. I know it can be unfair of me, to judge Zeitgeist in comparison to a hypothetical perfect-Zeitgeist, free of the time constraints Ryan and Thursty surely had. But Zeit is being run by GMs who don't have those constraints, so I feel my approach is valid.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="arkwright, post: 8428389, member: 6925177"] -Arcaneshield Zeitvice does focus on what I consider to be the flaws and holes of the AP, so it can come across as pretty cutting and condemning. My introduction still stands, however- I think this is the greatest AP ever written. I just think it still embodies the core flaws of AP design, such as having multiple authors. The section on Thursty may come across as a little more scathing than I intended. While I do think 'creepy' is justified, given how the Player's Guide describes Elfaivaran society immediately fighting wars over chattel-women, I do tend to think of Thursty as a loveable rascal who occasionly does his thinking with his other head. If killing Srasama who represents femininity wiped out all women, why would killing the Clergy god of war not wipe out all soldiers and more besides? Or, if killing the god of war would wipe out martial desire, why would killing Srasama not wipe out all feminine instincts, resulting in a nation of tomboy women? Leaving aside the additional backlash of the ritual that for some reason turned the Clergy hierarchy into tieflings and de-magicked Danor. I do appreciate that the Great Malice is basically an apocalyptic event for Elfaivaran society. Social, political and economic structures break. However, I think it takes more [I]time[/I] and justification before society degrades to the point of fighting wars over women. Especially if you don't want to suggest that 'ordinary' people promptly began scooping up women as soon as their chances of having a child plummetted. As Lylandra says, would the reverse happen if many men died? The Akela Sathi absolutely came about as a desperate attempt to fix the gender balance. My quibble is that I don't think the system properly reflects a matriarchal society. It veers away from 'akela women are noble lionesses who pick and choose their mates' and closer to 'akela women are sheep given to the wolves as a sop to their hunger.' Book 8 states that Iomar the smith had the captives 'smuggled into Sentosa by malicious fey.' I should clarify that while I think it's possible he has the [I]tacit[/I] approval of Athrylla Valanar, there is no way he has full approval. Even if the Elfaivarans are cool with the torture, they might object from a security perspective. -Lylandra I very much appreciate that time spent developing character and backstory is not time wasted. I suppose Book 8 leaves a sour taste in my throat because it ends with the party suffering the random bad luck of being time-skipped into the Dreaming. And then Act 3 fails to pay off Kasvarina's strong character arc by giving her a greatly diminished role. Elfaivar is a little personal to me because I also made the same mistake. In my first draft of the expanded Elfaivaran history for the sequel setting book, I went along with 'and then all the women died so the remaining men fought like starving wolves over the survivors.' A friend helped steer me in the right direction, and I am very proud of the work I did fleshing out a society where matriarchs and femininity are powerful, and define power in that society. Lylandra, I absolutely agree that ZG shows the power of many [I]individual[/I] Eladrin women- often to the point of farce, with the sheer number of powerful female eladrin running around and the tiny number of male eladrin characters. My quibble is that Book 8 fails to show the power of Eladrin women as a [I]whole-[/I] and not physical power, but social and cultural power. 'Could benefit from a good polish' is how I feel about many problems I have highlighted, yes. I know it can be unfair of me, to judge Zeitgeist in comparison to a hypothetical perfect-Zeitgeist, free of the time constraints Ryan and Thursty surely had. But Zeit is being run by GMs who don't have those constraints, so I feel my approach is valid. [/QUOTE]
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