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Venger with Scylla and Warduke...nice.

Do you mean "for a new edition," as to be "in the PHB," as in initial publication/release? I am inclined to think 13 is your very most/top for an initial outing. I would put your "base minimum" at 7 or 8. But I think a list of 13 is probably the best. Gives you enough for people to say "Oo...

True. lol.

How many members do you expect the party to be? If it's going to be only 4, then...yeah...I don't know. 13th level still sounds high to me, but I'm not particularly familiar with the 5e "CR vs. PC level mathalizations." When I originally read the OP, I thought, "Oh, 6-8 characters around...

Ad absurdums are fun, aren't they? The answer to the majority of your "why not's" is simply, because this is D&D.

Oh? Can a Paladin fit in everyone? Can a warlock? Can a druid? Seems like, if you require "uniqueness" to feel like there's an "identity" (and I wholeheartedly disagree/refuse to accept that premise), Fighter and Wizard "fitting in everyone" meets that criteria. Pretty sure a warlock or druid...

Oh, right. I forget if one isn't "unique" then they can't possibly have an identity. Yes, yes. Everyone is "special." All tiktok and youtube channels are created equal/matter. Well, no. Your metaphor nicely sums up why there is a Fighter (white bread) and a Paladin (mac n cheese) as separate...

Pretty sure one of my posts already covered that. The Fighter uses weapons, engages/specializes in being good at combat. The Wizard uses knows about and uses magic. Those are the roles. Their "jobs," as it were. Their identity within the game...any game. Any world. That's what they do. They...

I must say, I'm kind of baffled by the perspective, it seems, was meant by the OP and understood by a good number of posters. From where I sit, the "most identity" would naturally come from the classes that have the BROADEST and (as it's been put throughout the thread) "generic" class story...

Fighter: I'm about using all the weapons and armor., none of the magic. I do the best in combat and physical challenges. Mage("Wizard"): I'm about using all the magic, none of the armor and very few weapons. I do the best with magic and intellectual challenges. Thief("Rogue"): I'm about...

Another thing that makes the Ranger necessary, is the need for more base classes/archetypes that are NOT magic-using classes. Sure, the original Ranger eventually -at "mid-high" level, I would argue. Remember how long it took to get from 1st to 8th or 9th level bitd?-could replicate some magic...

If the intersection of Fighter & Cleric is necessary, in/as the Paladin. If the intersection of Mage and Cleric is necessary, in/as the Druid. If the intersection of Mage and Thief is necessary, in/as the Bard or Warlock, whichever you prefer. Then, the intersection of Fighter and Thief is...

Very early in 1e, I had a female illusionist (human, obviously, since that or gnome were your only options, then). She had some levels and then the DM/group wanted randomly decided to roll everyone's psionics (which we just didn't do, normally, bitd). She made the impossibly high cut! What...

So, Elkhorn, Strongheart, Mercion, that new thiefy nonbinary character from the Witchlight adventure that had a mini (as if they were part of the original character toy line), and a -as far as I can tell, entirely new- Elf of Color character. A Gold Dragon with (seemingly directing) their...

I tend to "relore" to minimize the wide array of creatures available, while still making it possible/plausible for them to exist in the homebrewed world. The most blatant is probably reloring basically all draconic creatures to being mutated or "unfinished/incorrect" offspring of actual...

I have different ones/uses. A pretty even split between the occidental and oriental varieties. The main/largest religion of the setting has various monasteries that house male and female followers. Some are male exclusive. Some female. Titles tend to be - for the day-to-day general religious...

I'd say, for the most part, they're looked at as "mercenaries." Potentially dangerous folks who enter a village...you're not sure why they're there or why they would want to go up to the old ruin. They have some business they're after...but the commoners don't necessarily want to know what it...

Just putting this in general because, why not? What is your "defining" shtick, feature (or features), of each class in your D&D (or fantasy RPG of choice)? We're not going to change what is coming out in a month. Debating what was in 5e or any other edition isn't going to change any of it, so...

This "test" does seem to skew "Paladin" for a lot of people. It was my highest rating, also...and a class I have next to no interest playing. Think I've had a single Paladin character...in a short-lived Pathfinder game...once, in my 40 years of gaming. My second and third highest ranks were...

Hmmmm....<cracks knucles>.....<cracks neck>.... <furrows brow>.... Let's do this.. Artificer turn into (for lack of a better working title) "prestige class." See below. Barbarian Bard turn into prestige class. See below. Cleric Druid Fighter Monk class rename. Paladin turn into prestige...